Transcript for Steve Paulson Reports on Consciousness

 

Jim Fleming:  Consciousness isn't just one of the great mysteries in neuroscience.  All sorts of people are slugging it out over their theories about the mind, from philosophers to computer scientists, to theologians.  One of the questions that lurks behind the debate over consciousness has cosmic dimensions.  Does the mind have an independent existence apart from the brain?  Come to think of it, is there any way to answer that question?  Steve Paulson figured the best thing to do would be to talk with some of the leading figures in the study of consciousness including neuroscientist Andrew Newberg, philosophers Daniel Dennett and Ken Wilber, physicist Roger Penrose and New Age guru Deepak Chopra.  Steve has this report.

Steve Paulson:  It's just a three pound chunk of wrinkled tissue, but what a chunk that is.  The human brain is so complex it spawned all kinds of competing theories about the nature of consciousness.  Some people say science will never explain how the mind works, but others say no, we've been seduced to believe it's far more mysterious than it really is.  Take MIT computer scientist Marvin Minsky, one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence.  In his book, The Emotion Machine, he argues that part of the problem is the language we use, starting with a word like consciousness.

Marvin Minsky:  I call it a suitcase word for about 20 different kinds of mental processes and so whenever you try to explain part of it then you find that you left something out and this makes people feel like there's a big mystery, but I think this is the case with a lot of psychological words.

Paulson:  So you're saying that the word consciousness basically doesn't mean anything.  It just, it covers so much ground and so many different brain functions that it's just this vague, amorphous concept.

Minsky:  That's right.  I don't think it's good enough for a scientific word and so we have to replace it by reflection and decisions and about a dozen other things.  Once you do that the big problem goes away, and so instead of talking about the mystery of consciousness, let's talk about 20 or 30 really important mental processes that are involved.  Then, with a couple of years work you can take a big step towards solving each of them and when you're all done somebody says, well, what about consciousness, and you say, oh that.  That was what people wasted their time on in the 20th century.

Paulson:  Yet the brain, the human brain, is as far as we know is the most complex object in the whole universe.  It contains something like a trillion cells and many synapses.  There are many different chemical reactions that go on within the brain.  Do you really think computer scientists can understand how all of this works?

Minsky:  I can understand exactly how a computer works, although I'm very fuzzy on how the transistors work, and my bet is that when all is done it'll turn out that it didn't matter very much how each synapse worked, so although it's nice to know how all of the individual nerve cells work, what's more important I think is all the middle levels of organization which makes the parts of the brain do things that don't depend very much on the small chemical events inside them.

Paulson:  Marvin Minsky believes computer scientists will one day be able to build a copy of the human brain, and, in fact, make a vastly better version of it, but plenty of scientists think it's dead wrong to say the brain works like a computer. 

Roger Penrose:  It's very different, I mean, subjective experience.  There's nothing in science that tells you that such and such a combination of whose-its gives you a subjective experience.

Paulson:  Roger Penrose is a renowned British physicist and mathematician.  Some years back he felt compelled to launch his own study of consciousness after he heard a radio interview with Marvin Minsky which greatly annoyed him.  When Penrose talks about the difficulty of explaining subjective experience he's touching on what philosophers call the hard problem of consciousness, the mysterious nature of our rich inner lives, for instance our experience of love or the quirky dreams we have.  He says no computer can generate those experiences, in fact, they're beyond anything that neuroscience, biology, or physics can now explain.

Penrose:  We do need a major revolution in our understanding of the physical word in order to accommodate consciousness.  The most likely place, if we're not going to go outside physics altogether, is in this big unknown, namely making sense of quantum mechanics.  It's the borderline if you like between quantum mechanical behavior and classical behavior.  Now this borderline is completely un-understood at the moment.

Paulson:  Penrose has a theory about how this quantum computation within the brain might work, which involves tiny protein structures within neurons called micro-tubules.  His theory is quite speculative and highly controversial.  The late biochemist Francis Crick once said of Penrose, at bottom his argument is that quantum gravity is mysterious and consciousness is mysterious and wouldn't it be wonderful if one explained the other?  It will be remarkable if it turns out to be true.  Listening to some of these theories makes me wonder if I am wondering aimlessly around my consciousness.  Looking for some reassurance I checked in with the philosopher Daniel Dennett who once wrote a book called A Consciousness Explained.  Dennett is an unabashed materialist who believes a thorough understanding of the brain's neural structures and electrochemical surges will tell us everything we need to know about the mind.

Daniel Dennett:  There's lot of puzzles.  There aren't any mysteries.  If we distinguish between problems that we haven't yet solved but things that we have at least some leads on, I don't think consciousness is a mystery.

Paulson:  But there are all kinds of things that I just, I can't imagine how science will ever be able to explain.  For instance, the precise nature of how we love someone else.  I mean, I'm not talking about the sex drive here, but I'm talking about the mystery of love, or why we have certain kinds of dreams, and dreams, of course, are not rooted at all in the physical world.  I mean, if you dissect the brain somehow and look at all the neural connections, do you think science will ever be able to explain those things?

Dennett:  Sure.  In what sense of explaining?  Would you find it just unimaginable that science might in the next 15 or 20 years be able to read people's brains while they sleep and then write down what they're actually dreaming?  Would you give me that kind of mind reading?

Paulson:  I don't think I would.

Dennett:  We can't do it yet.  We can do it a little bit.

Paulson:  I don't give you that actually.

Dennett:  Well, then hang onto your hat-

Paulson:  OK.

Dennett:  'Cause that's coming.

Paulson:  So you're saying science will be able to do that without any kind of self-reporting by the dreamer?

Dennett:  Oh no.  We'll use waking reports by dreamers of course to calibrate the instruments and understand how to decode the neural signals. 

Paulson:  See, that's my point.  That's my point.  If you don't actually ask the person what they're dreaming will you ever be able to decipher the dreams?

Dennett:  Well, let's build up to it then.  So, we ask the person what they're dreaming for 100 nights and we build up a nice library and we translate the relevant brain states for that person, then the idea that one might be able to say a little bit later, oh, look, look, Jones is having that dream about the old car and look, he's falling over a cliff now, and we wake him up and that's what he reports.  If you think that's just beyond the reach of science I think you're wrong.

Paulson:  But that's just correlation, you're just, you know-

Dennett:  That's right.

Paulson:  You're just looking at what so-and-so has dreamed and you're just going to match the brain imaging to some future dream.  That still doesn't explain how within the brain that particular kind of dream is generated.

Dennett:  So, we have to do that too, but I think we're making good progress on that too.  We can't do that now.  Might we do that in the future?  Certainly.

Paulson:  Ken Wilber is a very different kind of philosopher.  Unlike the reductionism of Dan Dennett, Wilbur embraces what he calls an integral philosophy, a theory of consciousness within an explicitly spiritual dimension.  He says a materialist understanding of consciousness simply doesn't get you anywhere.

Ken Wilber:  If you're looking at just material stuff like a planet that doesn't have life on it, or a rock, a physicist can tell you where that planet's going to be, barring other forces 1,000 years from now, but that physicist cannot tell you were my dog's going to be two seconds from now.

Paulson:  Ken Wilber's heady mix of eastern spirituality and wide-ranging analytical thinking has given him an almost cult-like following.  He regards consciousness as interior experience which is quite distinct from the neural circuitry of the brain.  That position sets him apart from virtually every neuro-scientist, but Wilber says we'll never be able to explain the mind just by looking at it's physical make-up.

Wilber:  It reduces everything.  I mean, if that's the case, then you're statement itself and your awareness is nothing but neuro-chemical fireworks and you can make no distinctions of value.  There is no such thing as love is better than hate.  All those value distinctions are erased.

Paulson:  You can't make the value distinctions, but is there still anything to say that that scientific view is wrong? 

Wilber:  Well, at this point, of course you've entered the philosophy of science, and the argument is endless.  Is there nothing but physical stuff in the universe, or is there some sort of interiority?  Not, we're not talking about ghosts and goblins and souls, all that good stuff.  Just is there interiority?  Is there an inside to the universe?  If there is interiority as there is exteriority then that interiority is where consciousness resides and where values reside and you can't see that, but it's real.

Paulson:  So, where does religion fit in this whole business?  Can we actually see God in the brain?  Well, not exactly, but Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist at the University of Pennsylvania, can pinpoint the precise parts of the brain that are activated during religious experience.  By using brain scanning technology he's found that meditating Buddhist monks and praying Franciscan nuns have remarkably similar cognitive experiences.  In both cases the parietal lobe shuts down which leads to a loss of the sense of self creating that feeling of oneness with the universe that mystics so often describe.  The difference is that the nuns activate the language parts of the brain while the Buddhists stimulate their visual areas.  Still, these studies beg the question, do these altered states of consciousness result from an encounter with God or some larger intelligence, or is it just an electrochemical surge firing in the brain?  Newberg himself doesn't know.

Andrew Newberg:  We don't know if it's something that just comes out of the brain that we then experience as coming from outside of us as if it was a hallucination like what would happen in schizophrenia or whether it really is something that's out there that somehow touches our senses and our experiences or whether it's something that's purely internal and yet still enables our brain to rest on some more fundamental plane of reality or existence.

Paulson:  There are clear religious implications to this whole mind-brain conundrum.  Think about it.  If your mind can communicate with God, or if there really is life after death then consciousness must go beyond the purely physical mechanics of the brain.  This is why this whole question of consciousness is the whole 800 pound gorilla looming over the whole science and religion debate.  It's why most, though not all, Atheists line up on the side of materialism, while religious believers assume the mind is more than the brain, but even some Atheists admit that consciousness is a great mystery. 

Richard Dawkins:  Consciousness is the biggest puzzle facing biology, facing neurobiology, facing evolutionary biology.  It is a very, very big problem. 

Paulson:  That's the famous Oxford biologist and outspoken Atheist Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion.

Dawkins:  I don't know the answer.  Nobody knows the answer.  I think they probably one day will know the answer, but even if science doesn't know the answer I return to the question, what on Earth makes you think that religion will?  To say that because science has so far failed to explain something such as consciousness that therefore the facile, pathetic explanations religion has produced somehow by default must win the argument really is quite ridiculous.  We don't have an explanation.  Nobody has an explanation for consciousness.  That should be a spur to work harder and try to understand it, not to give up and say, oh well, it must be a soul.  You said absolutely nothing when you said that.

Paulson:  Deepak Chopra is about as far as you can get from Richard Dawkins.  Chopra is the best-selling New Age guru famous for touting mind-body healing and Hindu spirituality, but Chopra is also well-versed in some of the cutting edge but highly speculative theories about consciousness which tend to rely on the weirdness of quantum physics like the principle of non-locality where particles nowhere near each other in space can affect each other and how the active observation can actually create the phenomenon that are observed.  In his book, Life After Death, Chopra argues that there's plenty of scientific support for the idea that consciousness doesn't really end with death.

Deepak Chopra:  Well, all we have to understand is what comes first.  Does consciousness come first or magic comes first?  The old paradigm was that consciousness is a phenomenon of molecules, but now, we know that molecules are only atoms.  Atoms are subatomic particles and that these subatomic particles are fluctuations of energy and information in a huge void, and the void is not emptiness.  It's the womb of creation.

Paulson:  OK.  My head is starting to spin.  I confess, I'm getting lost in the theoretical possibilities of the new physics and what this might mean for some cosmic consciousness, so I turn to America's best-known Atheist, Sam Harris, whose book, The End of Faith, has become a kind of touchstone for lots of skeptics.  Harris is the most viscous critic of religious belief I've ever read, so what's his take on this question?  Can consciousness survive death?

Sam Harris:  I just don't know.  One thing I can tell you is that we don't know what the actual relationship between consciousness and the physical world is.

Paulson:  What makes Sam Harris so compelling on the question of consciousness is his background.  He's getting his PhD in neuroscience.  What's more, he spent years practicing Buddhist meditation.  So, Harris is not your garden-variety Atheist, which makes his take on consciousness and life after death all the more fascinating.

Harris:  There are good reasons to be skeptical of the naive conception of the soul, and so the idea the brain can die and a soul that still speaks English and recognizes granny is going to float away into the afterlife, that seems to be profoundly implausible.  Yet, we do not know what the relationship between subjectivity and objectivity ultimately is and, for instance, we could be living in an universe where consciousness goes all the way down to the bedrock so that there is some interior subjective dimension to an electron say.

Paulson:  That's interesting, though, because most evolutionary biologists, some in particular, thinking that the secular ones would say, of course, consciousness cannot survive the brain.  It will not survive death.  You are not willing to make that claim.

Harris:  Yeah.  I just don't know.  I'm just trying to be honest about my degradations of certainty.  If we were living in a universe where consciousness survived death in some sense, or just transcended the brain so that single neurons were conscious we would not expect to see it by our present techniques of neuro-imaging or cellular neuroscience and we would never expect to see it.  There are profound philosophical and epistemological problems that anyone must confront whose trying to reduce consciousness to the workings of the brain and this discourse is in its infancy and who knows where it's going to go.

Paulson:  To me, those comments from Sam Harris pretty much sum up the whole murky question of consciousness.  Oh, there's one other thing.  Maybe our obsessive self-awareness and human consciousness itself really isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Fleming:  Steve Paulson prepared that report.

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brain is not mind; mind in human aura (Don Smalter, 10/21/2013 - 4:00pm)

IS SCIENCE ON THE VERGE OF PROVING AFTERLIFE ?? ARE YOU OPEN MINDED ???

Electro-magnetic imprint of DNA goes with you in the death transition !! Multi-life history/experience/form holding patterns in Junk DNA ! Unseen IMPERISHABLE “bodies” in human aura! Brain is not the mind! Mind based upon mental (or reasoning) body of aura! Mind goes with you in death !!

Note: I lost both of my parents at their early age of 57. This caused me to launch a part-time fifty year study of “what comes next after death?” Topics I researched were such as the Mother Mary apparition messages, a variety of religion beliefs other than my former Catholic (though still Christian), atheists rationale, the paranormal, quantum physics, biology, genomics, messages from the afterlife, instrumental transcommunication (ITC) via phone, tapes and TV, UFOs' objectives, and extraterrestrial messages, trying to find out answers, primarily thru books, science magazines, and numerous websites, obviously with a very open mind.

I was particularly interested in answering this question: How can it be that it is possible to contact afterdeath personalities as if they were still of full mental capability --- via paranormal MEDIUMS, or even by special ITC electronic communications, as has been demonstrated repeatedly? As a retired engineer/executive, I needed to understand exactly HOW “mechanically”or structurally this could be possible. I FOUND THE ANSWER: Electromagnetic/energetic version of DNA --- and unseen IMPERISHABLE body aura containing the mind ---- go with you in your death transition!!

Two books in particular provided key answers, and both were most believable due to being very comprehensive and "scientific" though not related to much of Christian/Judeo training. Below I have compiled short summaries and excerpts for your possible interest. Also, a short list of books that reinforced these two. I hope you will keep an open mind in reading them. An old Chinese proverb states: "A mind is like a parachute. It only functions when it is OPEN."

To summarize the first book, a lengthy dictation by a benevolent extraterrestrial group Guardian Alliance, it teaches SCIENTIFIC EVOLVEMENT: 1) Your electro-magnetic or energetic version of DNA goes with you in the death transition. 2) you will reincarnate repeatedly and the JUNK DNA holds your personal multi-life history and experience. 3) Your consciousness will next progress eventually through fifteen dimensions toward “nirvana”perfection, currently being in the third. All other dimensions are unseen and have different vibrational frequencies and atomic configurations. 4) After incarnation as Buddha, Christ as a highly advanced entity came to us as a teacher from the twelfth or higher dimension. 5) God is the Universe Prime Creator/Force/Source, and not the god Yahweh of the Old Testament who was an Ancient Astronaut to Earth.

As dictated by Ascended Masters, key messages in the second book were: 1) There are other unseen IMPERISHABLE “bodies” around the physical one in an aura (Note: As seen by Kirlian/GDV photography, see Wikipedia re: the paranormal aura). Key bodies are the astral, the mental (or reasoning), the etheric, among several others. 2) THE BRAIN IS NOT THE MIND. The mental body is the basis/source of the mind. 3) All these “bodies” go with you in the death transition, especially including the mind. 4) In the next step, all these bodies and DNA will proceed with you into the astral plane or dimension. 5) do not fear death as it is merely a transition to another “form”.

See the more detailed excerpts below. Also, a short list of other reinforcing books. To me, these were "startling" concepts, but comforting in their believability as they “fit” based on other related research.

There does need to be more scientific research especially on 1) electromagnetic/energetic & biophotonic properties of DNA, and 2) functions of the aura(or bio-energy field)! Russian and German scientific researchers are “on track” to one day scientifically prove life continues after death. Dr. Fritz-Albert Popp and son Jurgen at University of Marburg, Germany continue early work on electromagnetic aspects/versions of DNA and cell biophotonics as members of the Int’l Institute of Biophysics, and among others, Dr. Peter Geriaev in Russia with a breakthrough in biophotonic electromagnetic DNA termed Wave Genetics or bioholography. And, Dr. Konstantin Korotkov, Director at the St. Petersburg State Tech University, who concentrates on aura (or bio-energy field) research as Founder/President of the Int’l Union of Medical and Applied Bioelectrography, has actually produced early Kirlian/GDV photographs which may be of the “soul” or aura leaving dying human bodies. Unfortunately, American research on these two “niches” is relatively modest. Materialist brain researchers continue to believe that the source of the mind must be someplace in the brain or physical body. And, narrowly educated atheists do not believe in any perceived afterlife.

Book #1. Source: “Voyagers” Volumes I & II -- by Ashayana Deane(Anna Hayes) For details see Chapters on Ascension Mechanics & DNA. Available from Amazon.com, Volume I and 2nd Edition Vol. II 583 pages. Also includes information on Earth history and quantum physics. Purchase strongly recommended.

“At the death of the physical body, you will discover that your consciousness lives on and your evolution continues.

“Ascension is not some lofty spiritual concept designed by the minds of man, it is the literal, tangible scientific process of the evolution of consciousness and biology with the laws of energy mechanics that apply to a multidimensional reality system. All souls will eventually evolve and ascend through a 15 dimensional scale to re-emerge as sentient identity within realms of pure consciousness beyond the dimensional systems. Whether or not you view ascension and multidimensional evolution as a reality while you are alive on Earth, you will be directly faced with that reality once your consciousness has passed out of physical life and into the multidimensional framework. How well you prepare for that discovery now will determine the ease with which you are able to take your next evolutionary step once you “wake up on the other side”

“The term “Ascension” represents much more than some lofty spiritual concept invented by the finite human psyche in order to give purpose to its finite existence. Many in the earthly scientific communities believe that life is limited to the physical expression and that consciousness is the result of the body’s biochemical/neuro-electrical functions. Following these erroneous beliefs they draw an equally erroneous conclusion that consciousness ends at the death of the physical body. Consequently, human science will be confronted with a whole new order of multidimensional reality and a whole new science.

“The process of ascension is not some quasi-religious concept based upon the meandering of the human mind. Ascension is instead a highly SCIENTIFIC process that represents the universal order through which consciousness experiences itself as being. Ascension also involves the understanding of morphogenetic fields or the form holding energy constructions that allow matter to build into individuated forms. Ascension therefore is a science with specific mechanics that allow for the evolution of consciousness from simple to more complex forms. Every being in existence is involved in this evolutionary process and applies to each and every one of you. The choices one makes in thought and deed will determine the quality of experience, or lack thereof, that will be personally encountered.

“DNA is built upon minute electro-tonal (i.e., multi octave) patterns of multidimensional frequency and the energetic imprint of the DNA goes with you in the death transition. The content of that pattern will determine how high your consciousness will be able to travel (progress) in the system once it is released from the body. Whatever frequencies are contained within that imprint will determine the specific dimensional placement after death.

“This “system” blueprint has called your races forward toward an unseen destiny which is the return of immortality and the (eventual) reunion of the consciousness of man with its Prime Creative Source. In terms of the soul’s perspective, the challenges and hardships faced along the way in Earth life are understood to be lessons in growth as human consciousness evolves to remember the truth of its eternal existence and embrace the beauty of its multidimensional identity. From the perspective of a human consciousness focused within a physical body on Earth, those challenges can seem, at times, overwhelming. Without consciousness recognition of the purposes, processes and objectives of the evolutionary plan, the hardships can appear to be unbearable and without meaning.

“All human souls are involved with the exact same process of evolving the genetic “package” and the consciousness to higher dimensional levels; some souls are just further along in this journey. This is a process by which the life forms evolve through matter particles and anti-particles upward through the 15 dimensional scale, from dense matter solidity to pure, non-mattered-based conscious energy substance.

“All dimensions exist in the same space, but seem to operate separately due to the particle pulsation rates of which they are composed. The degree of angular rotation of particle spin shifts 90 degrees from one dimension to the next while remaining invisible to each other. In the universe there are 15 primary dimensional bands. Dimensional frequency bands group in sets of 3 and each set of three dimensions represents a Harmonic Universe. Thus there are five Harmonic Universes within one (overall) dimensional Universe. The degree of angular rotation of particle spin shifts 90 degrees from one dimension to the next within one Harmonic Universe. In each Harmonic Universe containing three dimensions, there are two 90 degree shifts of the angular rotation of spin between particles. Between one Harmonic Universe and the next there is a 45 degree reverse angular rotation of particle spin. This 45 degree reverse angular rotation of particle spin creates a Magnetic Repulsion Zone, or void between Harmonic Universes, which keeps the reality fields contained there within separated from each other. Through this structure of relative angular rotations of particle spin, the holographic illusions of multidimensional reality, matter, time, space, movement and individuation of form are perpetually created and sustained. Entities existing below the 7th dimension possess physical biological forms. Dimensions 7 through 9 possess the etheric matter form.

“These multidimensional electromagnetic fields are collectively referred to as the bio-energetic system or the aura field of a manifest form. The aura field has seven primary inner layers (i.e., bodies) which correspond to dimensional frequency bands 1 through 7. The aura field also has seven outer layers which represent the form-holding MORPHOGENETIC imprints for the seven inner layers of the aura field. The morphogenetic imprint holds the instructions and design for form-building in a type of digital or electronic encoding. The seven outer layers correspond to dimensional frequency bands 9 through 15.

“The perceptions of your present races are focused within the middle range of the third dimension. In order for humanity to evolve into higher dimensional fields, the frequency patterns of dimensions four, five and six must be brought into manifest expression with the energetic grid of Earth. The frequencies or sound-tones must also become operational within the active DNA strands. The energetic imprint of the DNA is carried with the personal morphogenetic field and consciousness after physical death of the body. (Note: Morphogenetic fields are the form holding patterns through which matter forms. Rupert Sheldrake postulated on their existence, but proposed no physical mechanism.) Whatever frequencies are contained with that imprint will determine the dimensional placement of the consciousness after death. The ultimate success of DNA* building lies in the hands of the embodied consciousness who personally directs the process by the way in which personal energy is used and applied.

*Note 1: Our current scientific community is thoroughly confused about the multiple strands of DNA, declaring only a few as having a known usage – and calling the remainder “junk DNA.” Over 98% of DNA has an unknown function! However, if it were junk, the sequence of the “syllables” i.e., the nucleotides in DNA, should be completely random. In fact, they are not random at all, and current scientists now believe that this DNA contains some kind of code with function completely unknown or undetermined.

“(At death), you will move your consciousness through a dark tunnel, with a bright light at its end, the same effect as in a Near-Death-Experience (Note: the subject of much book investigative reporting).

“Multiple reincarnational** identities represent portions of a person’s soul awareness evolving. To the soul-self identity, the immediate incarnates in its incarnational family are recognized as living sub-personality fragments of its own identity whose reality simultaneously takes place with the dimensional bands contained within the soul-self’s DNA. The DNA represents electro-magnetically encoded digital imprints of the other living portions of your identity.

**Note 2: Reincarnation occurs only in the first Harmonic Universe. “You reincarnate into multiple forms and situations because one lifetime is in no way sufficient time, nor does it offer sufficient exposures to enough diverse situations to give the fragment-spirit the understanding necessary. The best way to learn about poverty, or being rich, or being helpless, or being powerful, or being female, or being male is by experiencing lifetimes in such circumstances.” Book source: Andareon Theory communication.

“Consciousness and matter are both composed of these units of electro-tonal energy and so both spiritual and scientific mastery are brought together through the applied knowledge of electro-tonal energy dynamics. For the smallest units of energy in the cosmos you could find 800 billion billion units in an average 3 dimensional photon. They represent the “divine substance” out of which the cosmos is composed.

“There is an organizational intelligence and sentient creative force of vast proportion that is responsible for the design and creation of the cosmos, i.e., the Central Creative Force you call God***. Members of the benevolent Guardian Alliance (Note: who communicated this book) are beings from higher reality fields, dimensions ten through fifteen, who have evolved beyond the manifestation of biology, physical and etheric matter substance into states of conscious pre-matter form who appear as forms of light when they enter your system**** or, occasionally take on the appearance of biological forms in order to interact with Earth life, for example: Jesus from the 12th dimension.

***Note 3: The GOD of the Old Testament Yahweh was an Ancient Astronaut as demonstrated by the Jewish-American scholar Zecharia Sitchin who authored multiple books based on historical Middle Eastern archeological hieroglyphic interpretations.

****Note 4: The above afterlife “system” description is supported in the website Zetatalk.com which contains details on souls, reincarnation, DNA and dimensions (density), particularly Dimension Four.

Book #2. “The Treasure of El Dorado” Chapter 7. The Bodies of Man. EXCERPTS from dictated communications by Ascended Masters. Joseph Whitfield 213 pages. Available through Amazon.com.

“The value of the TREASURE is literally priceless since it could not be purchased with all the material wealth of all worlds. The asset is the SECRET OF OVERCOMING DEATH.

“Few indeed are aware of the totality of their being. Existing within and around the physical bodies are IMPERISHABLE bodies. These other bodies interpenetrate the physical body as well as extend beyond it. The various bodies which constitute the total potential of all developing human beings are: the physical matter body, the astral (antimatter) body, the etheric (Christ) body, the mental body and the emotional body. It is these other bodies that constitute the phenomenon referred to as an aura (NOTE: Which has been proven to exist by special photographic techniques, see Wikipedia aura paranormal). The reason that the aura is not readily seen by most people is that its range of vibration renders it invisible to the physical eye. One’s CONSCIOUSNESS and other higher faculties reside in this “spiritual” (frequency existing) body and are INDESTRUCTIBLE.

“WHEN PHYSICAL DEATH OCCURS, THESE OTHER BODIES LEAVE THE PHYSICAL BODY AS A UNIT AND BECOME THE OPERABLE VEHICLE THROUGH WHICH THE CONSCIOUSNESS CONTINUES TO FUNCTION IN OTHER DIMENSIONS! While one is no longer physically incarnated, the astral body houses the other bodies after the transition called death. Unlike the physical body, however, the astral body is inviolable, (i.e.,incorruptible).

“Let us examine some of the functions which the various aspects of the astral body serve while one is physically incarnated. The subconscious is the mechanism which performs those vital functions that produce automatic actions and reactions on the physical level. Examples of this would be breathing, beating of the heart, blinking of the eyelids, digesting, etc. It is the subconscious which permits the formation of habits and which must be reprogrammed in order to break habits and existing beliefs. The subconscious however does not have the capacity for rational thought. Everything that is recorded in the brain is also recorded in the subconscious. The subconscious contains total memory information FROM ALL PREVIOUS LIVES AND EXPERIENCES (as recorded in the energetic DNA).

“The brain is the memory bank while physically incarnated. The subconscious mind is the memory bank for your total experiences. Whatever is recorded in the brain is recorded automatically in the subconscious as well.

“Consider that quality of the astral body that is called soul. Think of a cassette tape (i.e., the energetic DNA). When the tape is blank, it can be said to contain no soul. Now fill it with recordings. What we have done is to impart attributes to a previously empty cassette. We have thus CREATED SOUL. When the life ends, the tape (i.e., the surviving energetic DNA) is filled with that essence called SOUL. Within the total soul are many completed “tapes” containing the records of all incarnational experiences. The completed “tapes” form the memory bank, or the akashic record of each individual being. Whatever information is contained (from past lives), whether it be good or evil, true or false, right or wrong, correct or incorrect, can and does influence your well-being in your present life. This is why many people go through lifetime after lifetime making the same mistakes over and over again. In summary, the subconscious and the soul lack discernment. They cannot reason.

“The conscious part of your mental body provides you with the powers of thinking. Thinking is the capacity to discern, reason, rationalize, to exercise self-discipline, to deduce, to employ logic, to analyze, inquire, synthesize, judge, investigate, observe, etc. THE BRAIN IS NOT THE MIND. It is one of the instruments that the mind uses while you are manifested in the physical planes (dimensions) of expression. The mental body has three distinct parts or levels: the conscious, the subconscious, and the superconscious. A primary function of the mind or mental body is to produce awareness, an incredible tool in the development of potential. As a component of the mental body, the subconscious has the ability and the capacity to record all sensual, mental, and emotional, and spiritual experiences and to “play back” this information, functioning like a tape recorder (i.e. the DNA).

“The etheric (or Christ) body has been described by enlightened writers. Often referred to as the light body due to the effect produced in the atomic structure of this body by the speed of the electron movement within the atoms which equals or exceeds the speed of light. Achieving the status of etheric (or Christhood) confers upon the recipient many powers not found in the lesser bodies. Jesus represents the best example in history. Among the powers he was known to have demonstrated were: bilocation, levitation, materialization, healing, etc. Jesus constantly reminded his followers that they could do all of these and even greater things.

“When one achieves the full etheric (or Christ) vibration, then death will no longer have dominion over him. It gives him the power to alter his vibrations at will, and thus he can freely travel through the physical, astral and etheric vibrations.

“It is the emotional body that gives you a feeling nature, i.e., that produces the capacity for experiencing all levels of emotion such as joy and sorrow, love and hate, compassion and malevolence, ecstacy and depression, pleasure and pain, excitement and indifference. The emotional capacity is experienced on all levels of expression.

“The superconscious is the functioning mind of the etheric or Christ self. What is required is that man of earth become aware of the existence of the incredible power of the superconscious mind and desire its attainment. To give you some idea of the scope of the superconscious mind, think of a rating scale numbered from 1 to 10 as representing the range of man’s conscious mind in Earth. Then classify the most outstanding geniuses of Earth history using 10 as the ultimate that is attainable. You will find that such men as Einstein, Swedenborg, Whitman, etc., would be rated from perhaps 7 through 9. By comparison, a pure state of superconsciousness would range into the hundreds or thousands. It is quite easy to conclude from this, is it not, that the means exist to literally transform Earth into a paradise by educating mankind as to its potential.

“These bodies constitute man’s potential as he continues to evolve within the “system.” Each aspect of our total self is indispensable to the function and purpose of our total being.

OTHER REINFORCING BOOKS: *** most favored among hundreds researched

Above Concepts based on my “knowledge” research were confirmed in Australian Michel Desmarquet's abduction to a highly advanced planetary culture (see below)

***Abduction to the 9th Planet, republished under title “Thiaoouba Prophecy” by Michel Desmarquet, Arafura Publishing, Australia He was abducted physically in 1987 for nine days by the spiritually most highly evolved and most technically developed planet in our galaxy. He confirmed and detailed the existence of IMPERISHABLE aura, reincarnation, and astral/etheric
afterlife on progressively more advance planets !! Excerpts below.

“Your Astral body, which inhabits every normal human being, transfers to its higher-self all the sensations that are experienced during a lifetime in a physical body. A normal human Astral body contains approximately four billion, trillion electrons, exactly marrying your physical shape.

“The more you cultivate your mind, the less you will be burdened by your physical body and the quicker you will proceed through your cycle of lives. Regarding the problems of your planet, Michel, the solution depends on love, not money. People need to rise above hate, resentment, jealousy and envy, and put their neighbor before themselves.

“There are nine categories of planets. You are on the planet Thiaooabu which is the top of the scale. Earth is a planet of the first category which could be likened to a kindergarten. We are one of three planets which are the most highly evolved.

Zetatalk by Nancy Lieder, Granet Publishing, dictated by benevolent extraterrestrials
also see website Zetatalk.com, Section Density, i.e. Dimensions
***An Ascension Handbook by Tony Stubbs, Oughten Hse Pub’g, channeled from Serapis Bey

The Science of the Soul by Robert Siblerud, Sacred Science Publishers

The Infinite MIND by Valerie V. Hunt: The Science of Human Vibrations of Consciousness, Malibu Publishing

The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot, Harper Perennial

***Andareon Theory by Robert Gidel, Andareon Foundation Press, dictated by Andar Group

After We Die, What Then by George Meek, electronics engineer, Ariel Press

A Lawyer Presents the Case for Afterlife, by Victor Zammit, Gammell Pty, Ltd.,Australia
also see website Victorzammit.com
Extraterrestrials in Biblical Prophecy by G. Cope Schellhorn, Horus House Press

***The Yahweh Encounters – Controversial Bible Interpretation, by Ann Madden Jones

Extraterrestrial Contact - the Evidence and Implications by Steven Greer, Cross Point Publishers

Gods, Genes & Consciousness - Nonhuman Interventiion in Human History
by Paul Von Ward, Hampton Roads

A Seth Reader, by Richard Roberts, Vernal Equinox Press

The Only Planet of Choice, by Phyllis Schlemmer, Gateway Books, Bath, UK

Vibrational Medicine, by Richard Gerber, Chapters 1 & 4, Bear & Co.

Light After Life by Dr. Konstantin Korotkov, Backbone Publishing Miracles of the Storm – Instrumental TransCommunication (ITC), by Mark Macy See website: World ITC.org

PS: Pass this along if you are so inclined. Promotion encouraged, but this is NOT for total re-publication in books, magazines, professional journals, etc. without source approval. Short quotes or references OK. DJS

consciousness re-experience (Kinseher Richard, 02/16/2013 - 11:13pm)

Consciousness is, when some brain activities come into perception - it is the experience of perception.
When we make a new experience - when we perceive , some areas of the brain are acive - and when we remember (recall) this experience, then the same areas are active again: this means, to remember is a re-experience.
Thus we can say: consciousness/perception is tied up to parts/areas of the brain which are activated. Without this activation, no consciousness is possible.

This has consequences: without these areas/parts of the brain which are activated, no consciousness/perception is possible - thus we never will be able to produce a digital copy of mind. This is similar to your computer - all the data are useless when you do not have the activated display on the monitor to observe it

conciousness (David A. Amco, 11/08/2012 - 9:06am)

The mystery drives this persuit just as much as the answers.